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March 4, 2008 4:00 AM PST

When used servers cost more than new

Posted by Michael Kanellos
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GALWAY, Ireland--Think of the Multis Group as sort of the Antiques Roadshow of the server world.

The Galway, Ireland-based company specializes in refurbishing, and then selling, used servers. Refurbished PCs and servers are increasingly in vogue because remanufacturing represents a more environmentally efficient way to recycle old electronics than harvesting components from these old machines or melting them down for raw materials.

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Multis, in fact, plans to open a 70,000-square-foot facility in Union City, Calif., later this month to refurbish and sell servers for North American customers. That marks a reversal in the usual U.S.-Ireland tech relationship.

Unlike refurbished PCs and cell phones, servers maintain a high resale value that can equal or even exceed the cost of new equipment, said Multis CEO and founder Sean Keenan. Why? Manufacturers might produce only a single server model for 18 months to two years. Corporate customers, however, often don't want to migrate to new hardware that quickly. Instead, they move at a three- to seven-year pace. As a result, they often have a need for discontinued equipment.

"Ten to 15 percent of the server market is remanufactured," Keenan said. "Because of the cost of migration, top-end customers will pay a premium for refurbished product."

In the first few years after the release of a new server, refurbished servers might sell for 15 percent less than the servers cost originally, he added. During this time, manufacturers might continue to produce a trickle of the machines and distributors and others might have remaining stock.

But once a server hits the magical "end of life" point, the situation reverses and remanufactured stuff sells for more than it did years before. Multis enjoyed a nice bump a few years ago when the air traffic control bureau in the U.K. needed a bunch of computers to supplement its radar control system. The computers it needed, however, dated back to the 1960s.

Similarly, a medical equipment company needed a bunch of discontinued servers because new servers would have meant going through FDA approval again.

Another run on old hardware occurred when Hewlett-Packard decided to discontinue the VAX minicomputer line it inherited in its Compaq acquisition. Compaq picked up the line when it bought Digital Equipment.

"There was a lot of screaming about that one," said Eamonn Reay, Multis' vice president of business development.

Unlike a lot of refurbishing companies, Multis works tightly with manufacturers like HP and Sun Microsystems. HP, for example, directs its customers that need older servers to Multis. Multis even manufactures some new Alpha servers on behalf of HP. If you go to HP's Web site and buy Alpha servers, you're actually speaking to the Irish company.

"We try to take as much of the quirky business as we can from them," Reay said. Part of the reason for opening the U.S. facility will lay in recruiting more server makers to work with them. The company does not try to contact end-users initially. That tends to antagonize the server makers, who want to try to sell something new first.

Both Keenan and Reay came out of Digital, which inadvertently is one of the primary wellsprings of Irish start-ups. The once-mighty Massachusetts hardware company was one of the original tech immigrants to Ireland. The company, though, started cutting back in the early 1990s. (Reay actually headed up the effort to get redundant employees new positions). The layoffs in turn drove many local entrepreneurs to start their own companies.

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Air traffic control
by Peet42 March 4, 2008 5:29 AM PST
"Multis enjoyed a nice bump a few years ago when the air traffic control bureau in the U.K. needed a bunch of computers to supplement its radar control system. The computers it needed, however, dated back to the 1960s."

Ah, I wondered who eventually filled that contract. A friend in Aberdeen was also bidding on it. They specified Z80-based systems and he was running around trying to find a source of ZX Spectrums to strip for parts. (This was sometime around 1992 or 1993...) ;-D
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This means my junk closet is worth millions!
by bluerain44 March 4, 2008 8:40 AM PST
My old 486 isn't junk! Its refurbishable.
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You'd be amazed...
by Penguinisto March 4, 2008 8:47 AM PST
If it fits on a rack and it works, it's useful.

I just recently decommissioned the last server in my own setup that required PC-133 RAM, but I'm willing to wager that there are lots of others out there who still use it in spades (and that stuff ain't cheap, either... price it sometime).

/P
Good read...
by Penguinisto March 4, 2008 8:44 AM PST
...and perfectly spot-on.

I've lost count of how many times I've renewed service contracts for servers that are literally years out-of-date. Even now, I have a fairly critical service that runs on an older IBM server, and I literally have two other machines of the same model taken apart and sitting idle in a storage cabinet. All they do is serve as my spare parts 'store' (IBM charges an arm+leg for parts, and there's IMHO no need for a service contract when I already have the parts to do it in-house).

Servers do live on an amazingly long time. I only just recently migrated my local NIS master server off to a newer machine. The old one was a dual Pentium III (733MHz) 1U with 1GB of RAM, and it ran w/o a hitch all the way up until its power supply died. I suppose I could cobble-in another one - it looks fairly standard, but nah...

As for processing power? Meh - even w/ specs that would embarrass itself compared to a cheap desktop, it did its job very well, didn't eat a lot of power, and simply ran. Then again, at my last job I had a 1U single P3 box that processed email at a rate of 300 an hour and carried a constant load average of 7.0-10.5, without breaking down - running Linux RH 9.

You just don't toss out a server because it's old - budgets are a pain as it is.

Also, w/ Linux and FreeBSD, you can extend their lives to a point that would even impress the manufacturer. :)

/P
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Used Servers - very rarely more than new
by dono0034 March 4, 2008 8:10 PM PST
It seems that Multis is misrepresenting some figures. Used Server equipment is very rarely ever more expensive than new equipment, maybe 1 in a 1000 features.

I?d say the price drop falls more in line like this:

1st year: 5-35% off new
2nd year: 20-60% off new
3rd year: 35-90% off new
4th year: 50-95% off new
After that it stays pretty stable other than an occasional anomaly.

Those estimates are based on my 8 years of selling used servers at Vibrant Technologies http://www.vibrant.com .

I wrote a post on our blog a while back addressing the occasional uptick in pricing with old and rare parts here:

?IBM RS6000 Antiques Roadshow?
http://www.vibrant.com/blog/ibm-rs6000-antiques-roadshow/
?? from obsolete to coveted antique?

The key part to takeaway though is that rising equipment values is only an occasional phenomenon, not the norm. Most server gear depreciates each day after being unpackaged.

ComputerWorld recently wrote an article on a 3-year-old IBM mainframe that sold on eBay for less than 10% of it's orignal sales price.

"True Story: I sold my mainframe on eBay"
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9060281

This example is much more typical than the rare server that sell for more than new.
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